tokyopop's out-of-print list

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

here is a list of manga that tokyopop will not be printing anymore. it includes several clamp titles.

Clamp Campus Detectives
Miyuki Chan in Wonderland
Man of Many Faces (20 Mensou ni Onegai!)
Shirahime Syo
Suki (dakara suki)
Cardcaptor Sakura (the old left-to-right first print version)
Cardcaptor Sakura, The Art of
Cardcaptors Anime Book
Clover
Duklyon: CLAMP School Defenders
Rayearth (Magic Knight)

whether they will let their license/rights expire, remains to be seen (as they did with sailormoon). hopefully they may reprint these with higher quality scans/paper and corrections and in clover's case in the right-to-left format.

Comments

[jubilli.livejournal.com]

Man of Many Faces is also going out of print.

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

thx!

[oryssein.livejournal.com]

YAAAAAAAY!!!!

Would that they had ceased to print Wish as well (for Wish's sake). Alas! It might help me forgive their myriad sins.

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

yeeeaaah, i was wondering about wish. can't imagine that it is selling well enough to continue printing it uncorrected.

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

hey, that's cool. i'll have to look out for that. i like the manga, but didn't like the slant they put on the angel's character(gender/non-gender thing) so i never bought the whole thing from tokyopop.

[tiggeray2000.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the info... I was wondering, I haven't read Tokyopop's version of Wish and and was wondering what was wrong with it. Have the also messed up on other Clamp titles. Do you know if there's a site somewhere that would list the differences? Thanks for any info you could provide

I'd love to get the Clover volumes in right-to-left format. It would be great if they would do that.. Probably won't happen though, but i can be hopeful. Such a beautiful series. One of my favorites :D

[oryssein.livejournal.com]

TokyoPoop gave Kohaku and Hisui text-edit sex change operations, thus performing a startling and perverse act of reverse alchemy on the manga, turning a sweetie-pie shounen ai series into a noxious faux-shoujo title. This is made even more painful due to the fact that, by the time the action of Wish actually takes place, Hisui is a human male. AUGH MY EYES. They call him "Lady Hisui." AUGH.

Er, backwards printing is the very least of the TokyoPoop edit of Clover's problems. They also sidestepped most of the cute gay with that one, too. And printed it on recycled bathroom tissue. You're better off importing Clover, which, even with shipping, is far cheaper than the English editions... which are also, as I mentioned, absolutely terrible. That's largely true of every mainstream manga title ever released, anyway. Also, there are excellent text translations for the four Clover volumes posted to the old CLAMP ML translation site, and therefore there's no need to give TokyoPoop -- or any other American publisher -- any money to defraud you.

[cairnsy.livejournal.com]

Actually, that's incorrect. Wish was never shounen ai - all of the characters are deliberately genderless in the Japanese version. However, because calling characters 'it' is just so damn strange in English - we don't have a proper translation of the Japanese term used - the english translation called all angel characters 'she' and all male ones 'he' and made a note in the additions that the characters were all STILL genderless and that it was a translation issue.

In fact, while the Japanese version canonically has no shounen ai at all, if you were to ignore the notes in the English addition completely and took the whole he/she bit at face value, the english version DOES have shounen ai in it. It's why I've never understood why people claim that Tokyopop 'edited out the gay' in Wish. If anything, they added it.

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

it wouldn't have been all that hard to not refer to the gender in the english translation. stories do it all the time. to label kohaku and hisui and all the other angels as 'girls' puts a skewed connotation on the whole story.

scientifically and historically, it made no sense given the plain evidence to label them as 'she'.

but yes, in business it made perfect sense, since they marketed it to reach a greater audience. i'm sure tokyopop thought about 5 seconds on the gender issue. all the justification they've had to face just points to the fact that it was edited/translated wrong.

[oryssein.livejournal.com]

Hmm, nope, nope, you're wrong. Sorry. Hisui was male. And human. TokyoPoop decided arbitrarily that he was a female character, for reasons which seem opaque to logic. Hisui was of course an archangel by design, but he gave up that life for the, uh, TOTALLY GENDERLESS Devil Prince(ss?) Kokyou. Hisui didn't go from being an angel to being a woman, which would be the natural progression for any entity referred to in object as "she," right?

I suppose the "shounen ai" label might be debatable -- many shounen ai titles could conceivably be classified as "shoujo" as well, concerned as they are with interpersonal relationships and marketed as they are to female readers -- but TokyoPoop did, in fact, surgically remove the gay in Wish in massive part. So, I'll edit my former statement: They just flat-out butchered a nice overtly homosexual-relationship-oriented shoujo series by denying male and genderless characters proper referents. Better?

...And on what grounds did TokyoPoop's crack editing team make the manga gayer, just curious? You didn't specify.

"It" looks like a good genderless pronoun to me. You seem to have used it yourself without a great deal of distress; I don't see what could've possibly prevented TokyoPoop from doing the same. "Slightly awkward" beats "flat-out incorrect" in my book any day.

Also, I know this is splitting hairs, but because angels are genderless, they have historically been referred to using the passive pronoun "he" in the West (femininity has typically been characterized as "active" by artists and philosophers, since it's the domain in which life is created). Angels are also generally depicted as possessing the secondary sexual characteristics of males. Not a whole lotta boobs on the Sistine Chapel ceiling, for example. Well. At least, none on the angels.

And let's say the sex changes were completely kosher -- they weren't, but just for the sake of argument -- it's okay to change up crucial plot elements because of a few pesky pronouns? And what was that mysterious Japanese pronoun which can't be replaced by "it," again? Why has no one else ever had a problem with it? Including TokyoPoop, in their editions of RG Veda? Er? Ashura is just as absent a gender as Kohaku, and TokyoPoop didn't seem to be seized by pronoun indecision in that manga.

And what version of Wish were you reading in which "all of the characters are deliberately genderless," pray tell? I think Shuuichirou would be sad to hear that some publisher somewhere is denying him his fictional Y chromosome.

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

wish there was a specific site to list edits, but those that exist are not very active. probably because ppl who would buy original japanese and can read it would not buy the english...especially if they heard the slightest rumor that it were edited. and vice versa, ppl who buy the english probably don't buy the japanese and wouldn't know what was edited.

the major problem with ccs is the horrible print transfer. and yeah, agreeing with oryssein. clover's dust cover deteriorates and yellows...and also, the print transfer sucks. i haven't picked up the other tokyopop clamp titles..other than browsing thru the hardcover shirahime which was nice. i may pick up ccd and mensou out of curiosity.

[(Anonymous)]

Pardon the anonymous comment, but why in the world are they going to stop printing the Card Captor Sakura artbooks?

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

your guess is as good as mine.

probably business reasons...
..low sales
..keeping a license to any item costs money
..etc.

[eriol33.livejournal.com]

Hmm, I think I could try to scanlate Dukylon in future, I saw the comic at book rental if my memory serves me right O____O
unless no one wants it of course. >__>