[Discussion] TRC ch 227

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

Just a quick hello to all the new members.
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And onto the discussion...

Cut for TRC ch 227 spoilers...How to catch Pokemon

We were watching CCS the other day and Yuuko's exact hitsuzen phrase came out of Mizuki's mouth, so I also wondered if Eriol will get to play a part in Tsubasa or xxxHolic's story.

Anyway, FWR's rage is amusing. He is obviously jealous of Clow's power. A possible jealous brother/uncle/father/random relative?

And there are multiple Sakura's, Syaoran's, Touya's, Tomoyo's, but why no multiple Yuuko's?

TRC is on break next week, so speculate away.

Comments

[jlarinda.livejournal.com]

Clearly the reason why Clow and Yuuko are unique is because if we had more than one, the multiverse would collapse from the amount of awesome.

[nokiirat.livejournal.com]

or the multiverse would collapse because of all the mischief Clow x infinity would be making.

[outou.livejournal.com]

Clearly. That's why they're never going to have their own series--the whole of Japan, and then the world, would bankrupt itself just to buy all of the associated tankoubons and merchandise.

[jjblue1.livejournal.com]

Uhm... I've a question. Can you give something you don't own in payment to fulfil your wish?
Because tecnically FWR don't own the assoreted S&S time. The past time worked because it was also Shaoran's wish but I don't think this is the case. True, he has trapped them and he owns them but... still sounds fishy somehow. It's not like they're getting something in exchange and Yuko was very strickt about fair payment... so I expect mess to happen soon...

[starlady38.livejournal.com]

I think he's gone nuts. Really and truly this time. Which is sort of why Shaoran was like "What did you just say!?" (Seriously, Shaoran's expression was one of the best things about this chapter.) Leaving aside the question of who the hell he's going to make payment to anyway.

[kaleido-steph.livejournal.com]

xD I have to say tht this chapter made me collapse [ejem, and I was @ the office!] Gosh! Seriously CLAMP r u trying to get me fired!!?? [xD or Dx [?]

So, I guess when Sakura Hime woke up, and saw all tht, was like "O.o WTF!??" I mean she was sleeping, like, since... hmmm... since when? gosh, I guess since the very beginning, when FWR switch her w/ the clone, and look where she is now, xD stuck ina tube w/ other Sakura and 2 Syaorans, and a Psycho screaming tht he beat Clow... xD

And FWR was going to capture who? the parents? they are not clones anymore, they reborn, they're humans! THEY R NOT OF UR OWN ANYMORE, FWR! >.< Seriously I'm having a huge rage attack against him, he's way more thn nuts! >.<

And CLAMP, just one question... "Are you high!?" xDD


PS. Are we having TRC next week? since they usually go on break after a chapter like this.. -.- , hope they dont go on Hiatus! xD

[birleywhirligig.livejournal.com]

I think they're going on a break next week... so we have two weeks in which to melt our brains figuring out how FWR should give it up and get a REAL life... XD

[bitofa.livejournal.com]

Ahaha, when I read "TRC ch 227 spoilers...How to catch Pokemon", I was reminded of this picture (http://i27.tinypic.com/j7etxx.png)...

MY SPECULATION: YUUKO WAS THE LAST RARE POKEMON FEI HAD TO CATCH IN THE SAFARI ZONE, BUT HE THREW TOO MANY ROCKS AT HER AND SHE DIED. 8( Poor Fei, I hate when that happens.

[kaleido-steph.livejournal.com]

LOL and Fai is like "Oops pappa Clow, I think the bunny is dead" And then he realize that is not a bunny, it's mamma Yuuko, so he promess to pappa Clow, that he will revive her!. And that's how ALL started! LOL

[youkohiei-fan.livejournal.com]

If there were no other Yuuko in the multiverse, then does that mean Horitsuba is to be taken to not be another universe? Because I know it sounds insane, but I mentioned in one of my own post over on my journal that maybe ( and that's a BIG maybe) that Horitsuba would play a part in TRC?

This is all so confusing. ( not a big surprise)

So does this mean that FWR created the glass tube we see in the very first page of tsubasa? But then it doesn't explain why there was onnly one set of Syaoran/Sakura in it instead of the now two sets...

(Actually I'm just glad we got some of the confusion out of the way and that Kurogane and Fai and Mokona are back in the story.)

[dumdumdumbutt.livejournal.com]

Yeah I don't think so. I mean if it did, watanuki being there is kind of questionable huh? He's supposed to be this unique existence and everythinnng

.. unless horitsuba occurs AFTER all the tsubasashit goes down and ends

idk

[xsayukix.livejournal.com]

I had to read the chapter three times until I can fully understand what's going on....

Is the FWR-captures-Syaoran-and-Sakura-into-the-container thing what Mommy!Sakura was dreaming in ch 225 o.O? *having a sudden "Ohh Now I got it..." moment*

[shiroki-tenshi.livejournal.com]

My brain has fizzled. It doesn't work anymore. In the end of Chapter 225, there's a picture of that tube with the clones (I think inside). When exactly did that part happen and yea...my brain fizzled out. >.

[niveous-magics.livejournal.com]

why are you saying 'no multiple Yukos'? Fei Wang is not looking for Yuko. He needs the witch of dimensions, which is only one indeed. Just like there's only one Sakura Kinomoto and only one Sakura of Clow.
Come to think of it, Yuko can be reborn with all her memories intact just like the clone pair. Why would she do that though? To piss off FWR? XDDDDDD

[(Anonymous)]

Date of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle 228: 08/26

[(Anonymous)]

So...how many chapters are left for tsubasa??
I mean...they gotta end this battle SOMETIME...
My guess - 5

[daftgirl0.livejournal.com]

Every week I just get more and more confused...
Be glad when it's over just so i'll know wtf is going on.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't really get this chapter at all. It was so confusing. I'm sort of worrying that Tsubasa is digging a hole for itself right now. All this confusion better add up to something good!

On a slightly random note, does anyone know when the new Horitsuba CD drama's coming out? I'm getting impatiant waiting.

[fauxparadiso.livejournal.com]

At this point I'm just sitting back for the ride and not speculating. If Watanuki hadn't been shown with his shirt off in the past, I would assume that he's really a young version of Yuuko.

[lizzie-2113.livejournal.com]

We've seen no other Yuukos because they're all dead. That's the thing, he's trying to find a Yuuko that's still alive somewhere, but apparently her life was always destined to end. Well, that's my theory anyway.

[darksage29.livejournal.com]

So I guess TRC isn't ending this week, either. LOL

Okay. Fei Wong Reed is being retarded. I mean, he's PURE EVIL and he's like that because he wants to prove to himself that he's better than Clow. Come on! Being better than Clow is like CLAMP coming up with a plotline that doesn't mindfuck anyone.

So I guess the tube thing means the loop will start again?

[kaleido-steph.livejournal.com]

What I'm wondering right now, is where the heck is Cerberus and Yue?

I mean, I know they're in the CCS World, but after all they're Clow's creations, the only Clow that we know, the great wizard of all times! [Yes, FWR, take that! your not even at his toes! xD] also, in a flashback of Yuuko [I think Tokyo Revelations] she said that Clow had to left his loved ones so he could fill the empty space of Fujitaka's and be Sakura's Hime Father [We can actually see Cerberus and Yue saying goodbye to Clow]

So, after all, Eriol is Clow's reincarnation [part of] so, he should do something? T.T or Cerberus or Yue? or someone ASAP! Dx

God I'm so confused, that I'm starting to throw random theories! xD
I guess I'll stay with the theory that bitofa and I created, of FWR killing the pokemon bunny [in fact mamma Yuuko] because he threw to many rocks, and promised pappa Clow to revive her! xDD

[outou.livejournal.com]

The question is, where is Sakura Kinomoto--the magician who's supposed to be even stronger than Clow?

I personally believe that no one from Card Captor Sakura fully knows what's happening in TRC. If Sakura had found out exactly what the woman she saw in her dream needed the staff for, she undoubtedly would have found a way to assist everyone in defeating F.W.R.--and, of course, Eriol et al would have helped as well.

What's strange is that they should have noticed the warping of the worlds that happened several chapters back, when F.W.R. first activated Princess Sakura's powers. Is the world of CCS somehow shielded?

[caffeinatedlife.livejournal.com]

This week's chapter was insane! xD LOL, FWR has really lost it now xD

Just to follow up with niveous_magics's comment and his need for the witch of the dimensions...maybe this is how Watanuki will play a role in the end of TRC? Watanuki decided to take over the shop so maybe in doing so he also inherited the role of witch of the dimensions?

(I believe Yuuko said at one point that she took Watanuki in in order to protect him from FWR's awareness so perhaps by taking over the role of witch of the dimensions, FWR will finally become aware of Watanuki's existence and...I dunno, do something that'll stop FWR from exploding the universe from his madness xD)

I don't know if my suggestion made any sense but it would certainly be an interesting way of bringing in Watanuki at the end (I've always thought of him as a bit of a wild card in the grand scheme of things). Don't know what Doumeki's role is still with the egg...maybe he'll throw it at FWR when the time comes? LOL

[amethyst-water.livejournal.com]

Ever since the beginning of Tsubasa I've been hoping and praying for an Eriol cameo. Come on! He's half of Clow for crying out loud. I actually thought (early on into the series) that Watanuki is an older or alternate Eriol. Sorry, I'm such a fangirl. XP

Adding to the growing pokemon theories, what if Doumeki's egg is the egg of anothoer rare pokemon. Dun dun dun~

Anyone notice how this chapter's title is Proof of CLAMP. o_O I find that really strange.

[lady-kikyou.livejournal.com]

I'll have to join niveous_magics here; I don't get why people are assuming there are no multiple Yuukos.

I mean. Sure, we have only seen one-- and that goes for Clow as well-- but I personally think FWR is after this very particular Yuuko, the great and mighty Witch of Dimensions-- whether because of her powers or because of herself is beyond my guess. In that vein, there could be several other "Yuukos" (or whatever she's actually called) in other worlds - like in Horitsuba world where she has no magic, or even in a world where she does have powers but they're nothing like those of the Yuuko we know. Point is, for one reason or another, he wants that particular Yuuko back, and no handy clone/alternate/reincarnation/whathaveyou will do. This is not Doctor Who, things don't work like this in CLAMPland.

This would also go for Watanuki; the reason why he's such a speshul snowflake is because, in the TRC/HOLiC universe, he's the boy who lived was not meant to exist, and originally only came to life as a fill-in-the-gaps of sorts. That doesn't mean he can't exist in different dimensions-- if anything, at the very first encounter between the TRC gang and Yuuko, she tells him about multiple Watanukis in different worlds. (http://www.onemanga.com/xxxHolic/13/16/) Of course, she could be lying and it wouldn't be a first, BUT STILL.

Anyway. This is mostly speculation on my part, so it should be taken with a grain of salt. o/

[(Anonymous)]

Tsubasa Chronicles 215

FeiWong: Clow once made the attempt... / ...but he did not succeed... / You who had your being, time and all, severed away just like that Princess... // You who were severed even from all worlds!

FeiWong: Witch of Dimensions!!

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Yuuko is unique because FWR said "you were severed even from all worlds"
She is like sakura cause sakura (ruins) was cut from her world, she lost her place in the universe (or something like that)so you can see to sakura!clow original and still she isnt the first sakura, the jr`s sakura. But Yuuko is different cause she was severed from all worlds so there aren`t more yuukos. And When she died she only disappeared. She was severed from all the world cause she is dead but well...she is still in the world of the alive that was the price for the wish of Clow. So Clow in basic erase her being in exchange for this extra-time :D

[all-fics.livejournal.com]

Clamp: Oh, screw it.
ROCKS FALL. EVERYONE DIES! XD

[daikon-kamen.livejournal.com]

Ohkawa the first!

[daikon-kamen.livejournal.com]

Maybe FWR is a KuroxFai shipper, and he wants to eliminate S&S so there will only be Kurogane and Fai in Tsubasa.
But ey... I'm a KuroxFai shipper! And I want to eliminate S&S so there will only be Kurogane and Fai in Tsubasa!
OMG, I'M FWR!!!

(And he wants the Witch of Dimesions to wish for lube and popcorn)

[outou.livejournal.com]

I didn't find this chapter to be particularly confusing (it's best to look upon the plot as a whole instead of focusing on the small details), but there was one thing that I found strange.

R|Sakura, despite just regaining consciousness, was able to grab C|Sakura's arm and enter the tube with her. On top of that, she may still have the mind of a child (as it was her seven-year-old self that merged with C|Sakura's soulless body). How did she know what to do?

Multiple Yuukos

[stepmanga-01.livejournal.com]

Um there are no more Yuukos. Though there where at a point based off of what Fei Wong Reed says but still not anymore. The link of the page in ch. 226 of Tsubasa that backs me up on this is here http://www.mangafox.com/manga/tsubasa_reservoir_chronicle/c226/14.html . So, from my knowledge once someone dies in one universe then they die in all the other universes as well. That is why when he says that she is gone from every world it means that "Yuuko" herself is gone not just the one that we know from xxxHOLiC, thus making certain that the Yuuko he knows officially dead. But of course the one we know as the main one he wants to revive is the Yuuko "the Witch of Dimensions." Because even though there were other Yuukos there is only one that is the Witch of Dimensions, because as we know every other version of oneself in the universe is not the same in character but in existence.
With what someone posted earlier about Fei Wong saying that she was severed from all worlds, I think he is referring to her stilled time. Because as it was quoted in their post Fei Wong mentions her time and self being severed, so if that is true then it only makes sense that she was severed from all the dimensions that continue to move forward in time. She is stuck in her own time as you can see if you read xxxHOLiC when rain can't touch her. That means that not just her time has stopped, but that her body itself is in it's own little world. That would explain the whole thing of Watanuki seeing her in that off place before she disappears. This means that the Yuuko we've seen in xxxHOLiC is something like a projection of the one that is stilled in her own time. This also means that only the one in xxxHOLiC is the one that is in this world of stilled time, cutting/severing her off from the path the other Yuukos follow in existance. This goes in affect of how all the Yuukos are all born and die at the same time but live differently as I said earlier.
I hope this makes sense to at least someone.

Re: Multiple Yuukos

[skynet01.livejournal.com]

well it is possible but I still think that he isn`t referring only to her stoped time because he said in tsubasa 227 that she is dead in every world BUT I doubt that if a syoran die every other syoran die in all the dimensions. It only doesn`t make sense. I think that He saying that she is dead in every world is cause there is only one of Yuuko then when she died she doesnt be in anywhere.

[eriol33.livejournal.com]

honestly, all of this plot is too confusing and complicated that makes me wondering whether Clamp has planned this all from beginning or they were improvising too much. The plot mechanic of "alternate reality" and "alternate self" is overused, and I wont be surprised if they keep using it as deus ex machina to avoid over complication. Their frequent break is understandable, they have created a very unique story that it's impossible without plot hole.

as for FWR, I have prediction that it will be none other than future version of watanuki, or perhaps watanuki is alternate version of FWR. but of course it would complicate what already is.

there are also good theories that Yuuko maybe Sakura, and FWR would be shaoran. Ok, my head hurts.